I think things get taken too far in some contexts, but the underlying sensitivity is when you are talking to a person who considers themselves an outlier. Like telling someone with no legs that they don’t meet the definition of human and ADA is an abomination that should be repealed. Or telling someone diagnosed with conversion disorder that they can’t receive any physical accommodations, and can’t have any medical consults to check if their symptoms might have a different cause. I hope we can agree those would be insensitive positions to take.
Why would I say someone with no legs wasnt human? If anything, that would be your stance. No? Im not the one excluding outliers, you all are. And then your using 0.018% of the population to justify it.
I am confused. I thought the thread was about gender, and the reference to “social bullshit” and the statement “that outliers exist, doesnt mean anything” were statements in support of excluding transgender people from society. The 0.018% stat (rate of intersex if defined narrowly) is clearly a reference to sex, not gender. So now I am just lost.
Now you know how everyone else feels. It used to be focused on gender. But theres been a pivot to sex. Why? I dont know. It seems like people all of sudden want “trans” be a dirty word, and by people, I dont mean MAGA chuds who hate anything that its them.
‘I am biologically female.’ was said by Beth Upton, during a court case into whether or not she received abuse from a Nurse. Followed by:
‘the terms biological male and female had no defined and agreed meaning in science’
and
‘Biological sex is a nebulous term and it doesn’t really mean anything, because nobody can accurately or usefully define biological sex because pretty much every human I’m aware of is at least in part biological and many of them have a sex characteristic.’
Similar things are popping up all over social media. I dont care what anyone says they are. Trans, non binary, whatever. They can all live their lives as they see fit. Its this push to justify it with outliers thats annoying. And it just takes us right back to the arguments over attack helicopters, which I thought were long behind us.
I think things get taken too far in some contexts, but the underlying sensitivity is when you are talking to a person who considers themselves an outlier. Like telling someone with no legs that they don’t meet the definition of human and ADA is an abomination that should be repealed. Or telling someone diagnosed with conversion disorder that they can’t receive any physical accommodations, and can’t have any medical consults to check if their symptoms might have a different cause. I hope we can agree those would be insensitive positions to take.
Why would I say someone with no legs wasnt human? If anything, that would be your stance. No? Im not the one excluding outliers, you all are. And then your using 0.018% of the population to justify it.
I am confused. I thought the thread was about gender, and the reference to “social bullshit” and the statement “that outliers exist, doesnt mean anything” were statements in support of excluding transgender people from society. The 0.018% stat (rate of intersex if defined narrowly) is clearly a reference to sex, not gender. So now I am just lost.
Now you know how everyone else feels. It used to be focused on gender. But theres been a pivot to sex. Why? I dont know. It seems like people all of sudden want “trans” be a dirty word, and by people, I dont mean MAGA chuds who hate anything that its them.
‘I am biologically female.’ was said by Beth Upton, during a court case into whether or not she received abuse from a Nurse. Followed by: ‘the terms biological male and female had no defined and agreed meaning in science’ and ‘Biological sex is a nebulous term and it doesn’t really mean anything, because nobody can accurately or usefully define biological sex because pretty much every human I’m aware of is at least in part biological and many of them have a sex characteristic.’
Similar things are popping up all over social media. I dont care what anyone says they are. Trans, non binary, whatever. They can all live their lives as they see fit. Its this push to justify it with outliers thats annoying. And it just takes us right back to the arguments over attack helicopters, which I thought were long behind us.