• truthfultemporarily@feddit.org
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    1 month ago

    Yeah but DLS would be a significant downgrade for many people, who already fight the suggestion to only eat meat six days a week tooth and nail.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013539/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10537420/

    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/acs.est.3c03957/suppl_file/es3c03957_si_001.pdf

    Things that count as DLS:

    • 10 m² of personal living space + 20 m² for every 4 ppl as bathroom / kitchen
    • 2100 kcal/day
    • 1400 kWh/year, but this already includes public services (education/healthcare)
    • 1 washing machine per 20 ppl
    • 2.4 kg clothing / year
    • wear tops for three days and bottoms for 15 days without washing
    • 1 laptop per 4 people with a yearly power consumption of 62 kWh. (bizzarely they talk about an 800 MHz computer and seem to confuse HDD and RAM). If your gaming computer used 400 W you could use it for 150 hr/year.
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      1 month ago

      I’m gonna need a lot more than 10 square meters of space if everyone is changing their shirts twice a week. Yuck.

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          1 month ago

          You could double everything in this post too and that’s only 60% consumption.

          • 20 m² of personal living space + 20 m² for every 2 ppl as bathroom / kitchen
          • 4200 kcal/day
          • 2800 kWh/year, but this already includes public services (education/healthcare)
          • 1 washing machine per 10 ppl
          • 2.4 kg clothing / 6 months
          • wear tops for 1.5 days and bottoms for 7.5 days without washing
          • 1 laptop per 2 people with a yearly power consumption of 62 kWh. (bizzarely they talk about an 800 MHz computer and seem to confuse HDD and RAM). If your gaming computer used 400 W you could use it for 300 hr/year.

          That seems a lot more reasonable to me and we still come in under carrying capacity

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          1 month ago

          ITT: people who didn’t even glance at the study.

          Quoting from the study:

          “It is important to understand that the DLS represents a minimum floor for decent living. It does not represent a an aspirational standard and certainly does not represent a ceiling. However, it is also a level of welfare not currently achieved by the vast majority of people. A new paper by Hoffman et al finds that 96.5 percent of people in low- and middle-income countries are deprived of at least one DLS dimension…we can conclude that 6.4 billion people, more than 80% of the world’s population, are deprived of DLS.”

          The authors are not suggesting that everyone be forced on DLS at gunpoint. They are suggesting an absolute bare minimum standard that the overwhelming majority of people on Earth do not yet even have. Quite obviously any excess production could and would be used to increase standard of living.

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          1 month ago

          They live in a world where 700 million people are currently starving. Do you think you care about the washing machines if your children have nothing to eat?

    • yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 month ago

      A simpler solution is to simply abolish wealth hoarding, impose sensible consumption limits (so, no cars or commercial plane travel, no meat, no 800 watt gaming rigs), and continue to encourage population decline. Boom, everyone is healthy, the air is clean, and you can keep your house.